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Permalink Reply by Derwin Sherwood on May 5, 2011 at 1:18pm

Well this is indeed the right place to talk about this!!!
Ever since I saw Chris Everand of Enigma TV and his film, "Spirit world" which has been temporarily removed from Google, I realized the same things you speak of! For 10 years now I have wanted to use good magick to help better the world, and as I learned that these evil black magick practitioners were actually running the show, I decided I would have to know more magick, but that my pure magick can defeat their negative magicks and that this war of magick is real, though our light side isn't doing so well right this minute...
Spirit World discusses how the 9-11 attacks were a false flag attack on the American people by our own government to get us rallied to got o war with the middle east; 9-11 served to make the western world classify all Muslims as evil, and has made the sheeple of America want nothing more then war with the middle east, who for all intents and purposes wasn't really f****** with us, we just don't like there culture and have bigger weapons, but what if they had the bigger weapons? I love the middle east personally, now more than ever, and a bit out of a sense of responsibility to fix what my country has done, but more out of compassion, but I see the big picture too. I know that the real reason that the Illuminati brought down the trade towers was because it was necessary for their dark magicks to create a mass human sacrifice and influx of souls on the spirit realm of our world, so as to gain 'props' whether they be for more global domination or anything else.
But it's hard to find people on this track because most conspiracy theory comes from the christian world, and the pagans of today are sheeple too. The christians are too. So many people today (even in our movement) are actually sheeple and this is what makes it hard to get anything done. If these christians could except that we are not evil pagans as some of the Illuminati are, and that their are evil christians out there too making for a balance of evil and good on all sides,then we could start to work together. But then too many pagans don't even believe in real magick anyway, they just do spells and potions and chants and charms, so when you talk about Telekinesis, Lycanthropy, and so on, you get weird looks from birth sides, which is where we are stuck on taking down these Illuminati scum at the core. Many of these pagans won't acknowledge real magick because they fear it, or they fear the dark magick that we are charged with defeating, and then still too many of them just don't believe. But it also stems from the fact that many people in the outside world see us as crazy anyway and conspiracy talk makes it worse, but it's only a matter of time before we show them that we aren't crazy they were all just a little content being in their shells and keeping the blinders on. But people are waking up every second and we just need to help them, all along the way.
We just have to step up before it's too late; today we are standing on the edge of greatness or failure, and many fall off that bridge every day and just give up and many more, turn to the dark magicks every day. But is is for those of us who would stand against this and say enough, to help wake up the rest of the world and take charge to bring peace to the world and end the imperialistic dogmatic rule of the already fractured Illuminati.
It doesn't matter what your political affiliation is, or your religion or your race or background. We can unite for peace with all those who truly want peace for EVERYONE who does no harm. And this is what we are charged with as the next generation of Earth.

Permalink Reply by Derwin Sherwood on May 5, 2011 at 1:18pm

Does anyone reading this have any thoughts on the magick front in creating new white magick to combat the Illuminati's black magick?

Permalink Reply by Julian ONeill on May 5, 2011 at 4:16pm

WOW man I find your post really interesting and powerful. Your one of the few people talking about this I feel on a same wavelength so that in itself is very healing!

Lety me first tell you views on magick. OK, I have had two OBEs, one VERY powerful, and have taken psychedelics, but I have not really done much ritual magick. A few years ago, I did kind of get an interest in Chaos magick, because it sounded quite wild and free, but I became dissillusioned after speaking to a few magickians and I found them very shallow people. Not tyhinking about ecology and community but 'results'--gettin laid, a job, etc!
I ALSo didn't like the making a boundary/'magic circle' when doing a ritual. This is because with my psychedelic experience I am VERy open to the universe, and I dont want to be being paranoid against 'evil spirits' etc.
it is hard really to explain what I mean, but MY sense of magic if you will, is more a kind of open loving feeling WITh nature. it is not an ordering of spirit slaves like you would read in Chaos magick, and VERY much in the Luciferian occultist magick system which is seemingly ruling the planet. That to me is the very same androcentric warmongering mindset that is manifest on every level from slavery, to serfdom, to misogyny, to ALl forms of exploitation against other species and humans, not forgetting children. it is CONTROL isn't it?

I am VERY aware that these occultists come from a tradition founded on invasion and enslavement of indigenous peoples who were more deeply in tune with the cycles of nature and reality, and were with the Goddess. And that many researchers, both Christians and what I call Gnostic new agers dont seem aware of this.

I got sent this video interview with Freeman earlier on. There are somethings I dont agree with Freeman about---which I forget right now--but check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGvR7jXas7k and checkout when he is talking about how the Luciferian occultist goddess is Columbia and she represents Venus (who they also call Lucifer, the Morning Star), and he goes on to say:

"You can follow the goddess from ancient Sumeria beginning with Queen Semiramis, Queen of Babylon, WIFE of Nimrod, and follow here all the way up through Athena, through Minerva, to Juno, and on into Columbia, and this has been a constant theme of this secret society

Not notice he says WIFE of Nimrod. Nimrod--from my research = Marduk who was the 'god king' who attacked and 'killed' the great Goddess Tiamat. This is so important to understand, because the other researchers assume that these occultists are meaning the authentic goddess, but they are rather talking about the goddess they have 'married', subjugated, expropriated and raped, and battered, and de-graded like their doing to women, nature, animals etc etc etc THEMSELVES. AND that in the Bible to we see how people of the authentic Goddess had genocide come there way on the orders of their brutal war god. So it makes me fukin laugh when I hear these Christians reckon they have the solution when I know they are a big part of the SAME problem.

The Gnostic new agers also are dangerous because the dont see nature as sacred but as an illusion, and that TOO is like the Christian and Luciferian vision. So this fear and disdain of nature has to be recognized as being shared by supposed different belief systems. THAT is the root. Fear of mother, of women, of the sacred feminine, of nature and the body, of emotions, feelings
Its really interesting where you say:

So many people today (even in our movement) are actually sheeple and this is what makes it hard to get anything done. If these christians could except that we are not evil pagans as some of the Illuminati are, and that their are evil christians out there too making for a balance of evil and good on all sides,then we could start to work together. But then too many pagans don't even believe in real magick anyway, they just do spells and potions and chants and charms, so when you talk about Telekinesis, Lycanthropy, and so on, you get weird looks from birth sides, which is where we are stuck on taking down these Illuminati scum at the core. Many of these pagans won't acknowledge real magick because they fear it, or they fear the dark magick that we are charged with defeating, and then still too many of them just don't believe. But it also stems from the fact that many people in the outside world see us as crazy anyway and conspiracy talk makes it worse, but it's only a matter of time before we show them that we aren't crazy they were all just a little content being in their shells and keeping the blinders on.

I have had this experience several years ago when trying to talk about the occultist cabal at one of the largest Pagan forums online, and their 'expert' will just not entertain there is any problem at all. Weird. And again I think its because they cannot differentiate (or even KNOW) between paganism which derives from the solar mythos, and earth-based paganism which derives far more anciently from the Goddess and lunar mythos, so they assume that if you say something is wrong with 'the occult' that your attacking paganism per se lol. So it is just ignore-ance of the past on their part. There is a saying 'those who control the past control the future', so if your ignoreant of it also they control you just as well---Well MEN wrote linear history and 'he' has ripped off preliteral imagery of the Goddess that is sacred for his own sick purposes.

But yeah man, I am VERY glad to meet you because the more of us onto this the better, I reckon. let us explore this as freely and wildly as possible.
What kind of magick would you imagine could be of value. This is something that deeply interests me.
First we must become aware

Permalink Reply by Derwin Sherwood on May 9, 2011 at 5:06pm

Well first off I hope I can get Bernard on this topic, he specializes in Masonic talk, but I've also recently been made aware of the little groups that actually make up the illuminati that I feel are just as involved if not more so with the destruction of everything, like the CIA or NATO. No one controls it rather it's a bunch of thugs fighting for supremacy. I think that the ones using the dark magicks though are the ones holding most of the cards, though too I wouldn't be surprised if the CIA, FBI, and US military were doing massive tests (area 51 and even more secret) on all sorts of things from Astrological power to spirit world power and so on... I wonder what we'd have to do/know to defeat them. (In the new Thor movie he says ‘magick and science… are one in the same’ and ‘magick is just science we haven’t figured out yet’) One big way I've always thought of was telekinesis to stop bullets, maybe with some time manipulation (The Matrix); forgive the TV references; or stopping missiles and bombs with energy manipulation/transformation (Buffy) but who knows how far they've gone... Or haven’t...
In once sense I feel silly talking about this because there is a little voice in the back of my head that says none of the spirit world is real and that only science and atheist practicality are real; but I know in my heart that this isn't true, and that the mafias that control and fund everything, could easily know more than we could fathom and be ready for anything like what I’m talking about...
That of course would never stop me from trying to defeat them, just keeps me aware and on my toes...
But the perversions of the goddess which you speak of are an interesting topic too, because it creates confusion among the masses when you think you may be following one thing you are actually following another, (such is the danger of an Ouija board); and then too, the Christians see this and just add it on to their reasons to hate pagans because this goddess form doesn’t care for the security of all of earth, so too must my goddesses be evil... Then too I reiterate, they don't acknowledge the evil within Christianity either...
Could it be that there is earthly Paganism and galactic paganism...? IDK... The major theme is that everyone thinks our differences mean we must pull in different directions but in fact our universal desire for peace should make us desire to work together, but I guess some people prefer the philosophy that war is peace…
Good always prevails in the end though…:)

Permalink Reply by Julian ONeill on May 13, 2011 at 9:43am

Her Derwin
I feel that you are the only one on my wavelength! I love the way you are asking questions, and are open to the intelligent response 'i dont really know, but I am exploring'. i am EXACTLY with you there. Many others always seem to try and put you into a category--an image they build of you, and from there try and put you donw, ridicule your free exploration. But with you I dont get that at all. And I bet this has to do with the deeply amazing experiences you have had. I feel very close to you soulfully and am real glad to have met you here

For ages I had been VERY intrigued how its come to be that the very President of the USA has the name Barack HUSSEIN OBAMA where BOTH the latter names are nearlt totally the same as two of the USA, and the 'free world's' biggest enemies, OSAMA bin Laden and Saddam HUSSEIN. So dig, OSAMA and OBAMA have only one letter difference (and just an 'aside' give the initials BS, and we know what that means!) B&S. So both names can rhyme with each other. And of course Hussein is shared both by the pressy and Sadam. So I had been extremely intrigued about this, and know it was a deep strange form of propaganda and had asked a various cross section of people about who ALL ignored me!! So I was real glad last night to come across this article:
Osama Bin Laden is Dead! Fake? Hoax? Real? Illuminati ... " “Osama Bin Laden’s name becomes Obama Sin Laden.
Osama is the demon in this ritual. Obama is the monster hunter. We’ve made this allusion along a time ago, when Perseus symbolism started to swell around Obama. And now, he has killed his monter. Hussein was Bush’s monster, Osama is Obama’s.
It is NO coincidence that Obama and Osama are the same name, and that Obama has Hussein as a last name. It creates a chain of symbolism. Many of these chains create a matrix.
THEY are using myth to program our reality. We have some kind of DNA/primal connection to mythic stories and symbols. The ‘play-out level’ of this is what we are watching. That is why it is not the event, it is the play and circus surrounding the even that matters.
The press is giving us a fake event (the supposed killing) and a conspiracy (the reaction that it is a fake event). That’s surface. Easy and totally predictable.
The conspiracy we are so readily given is not the real conspiracy. There is something much deeper and mythic and pagan going on with this announcement. And it is this announcement that is a LARGE peg in the conditioning of our reality toward a state where the NWO is a reality.
It started on 9-11 1991 when George Bush Sr. first said the words New World Order on TV. Then, 10 years later, 9-11 happens. Of course, there’s going to be some big deal on 9-11 2011, as the completion of this ritual. I don’t know what.
But that date now seems obvious. Probably, because it’s supposed too. Because by now we’re supposed to have awakened to the New World Order, and their tactics. And in doing so, we have created it.
The circle, the Ouroboros, of the simulacra is almost complete.”
I left a comment on his page: ": “GREAt to meet you THUTH. I was very excited reading this, because you are one of the few researchers to mentioned the odd ‘coinidence’ of the President of the U.S.A having a name where one part only differs from the US’s number 1 enemy by one letter, and thus rhymes O(B)AMA O(S)AMA, and has another part of his name sharing the sir name with another ‘great enemy’ of the U.S. ,Sadam HUSSEIN (hmmm i wonder what ‘Barack’ means?. It needs lookin at!).
I want to inform people reading these comments of the ‘mythic’ significance of the Saddam Hussein thing. Although I dont agree with all this guy claims, I do some of it. Freeman from the Freeman Perspective reveals how these elites operate. Like THUTH is explaining, they are MYTH MAKING. Take the first Gulf War–To understand and look for yourself Google Freeman perspective Saddam Hussein Nebakanezer MOAB, and you will be immediately sucked own a raboot h*** so be warned. But I say DONT look the other way. Even if this s*** seems weird to you, and it will, be brave and keep on it, and get familiar with it.
THUTH, not sure I agree where you claim we CREATE it. No, I didn’t create 9/11, or JFK’s murder, or Martin Luther King (these are all occultistically connected), or ‘Bin Laden’s May Day killing’ etc. What i DO DO is begin seeing the myth making. I only create it if i DONT see through what they are doing and blindly support their never-ending Orwellina war machine, and exploitation of peoples, and attack on nature.
I would like to also say this about Paganism. it is VITAL people understand that Paganism is not ONE thing. In the past you had war mongering pagans who despised nature, and you had earth-based pagans who deeply respect nature and the cycles. The Illuminati, or whatever you want to call them, obviously are part of the former not the latter, though they appropriate the days, and symbolism for their own dirty doings and skulldugery.”

so what I am beginning to dig is tthat---well to intro into what I am saying I need to tell you that for years before 9/11 I had had interest in mythology, and this was inspired after reading this great book called The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross, by John M.Allegro. John was a philologist, and was picked to be part of a team to study the Dead Sea Scrolls. His book is revealing how the writers of the biblical scriptures wrote in LAYERS, using all forms of literary devices such as transliteration, using dead languages like Sumerian, wordplay, etc etc. The SURFACE story was for the people who believed the LITERAL tales, but the deeper layers and meanings were meant for those who 'understand', the initiated.

So this obviously continues. Take the recent so-called Obama OSama May 1st killing. let me give quick analysis (I been collecting LOADS of links about this) The story is ABSURD, but almost as soon as Pressy Hussein has read it like the mindcontrolled puppet he is, we get kids in front of the Whitehouse etc like the Sheeple they are screaming 'USA USA OBAMA'S DEAD YEAHHH' etc. Now they keep changing the story but the FIRST story they push is the first propaganda that seeps into the real gullible literalists, like those kids, its called "instant mindset" propaganda. So that is the superficial layer, and I bet you could go out on the streets of any big American city and ask media juny people about it and they will parott what they heard in the first story about him shielding behind his wife etc.
Little do they know that he was reported fukin dead years ago...etc!

So what can we do? What we doing. First we have to become aware of this myth-making in action.

peace

Permalink Reply by Derwin Sherwood on May 20, 2011 at 7:35pm

So many people look at one piece and think they are awake to the world and the reality we live in… but that arrogance holds the movement back… Even though WE see the picture on a larger scale even we still don’t know everything. But we have a better mentality of seeking out more! And people like us have a much more open mind, because we realize that we have to when dealing with this evil. But they’ve been hiding their evil for thousands of years and have perfected the art of being secretive; and the awakened sheeple need to open their minds to find all the secrets…
I think the people need to realize one thing over all else… our politicians are ALL puppets for the government behind the curtain (AKA the illuminati) As far as the names of the leaders, it seems to me that it is played like a cast system and those names are relevant to the fake ‘ruling’ class…
But a lot of people say Osama has been dead for years, but I think Bush would have taken credit for that…
Then too Sadam had many look-alikes and decoys, who’s to say that shabby old dude they dug up wasn’t one of them, we believe the government when they say ‘we got him’ right…?
Food for thought though, how could we really know…
I think both of them are alive in a compound some where sipping martini’s with the Bush family congratulating each other on creating a massive war to be the “only way to fix the economy” George W. Bush.
They may patsy little puppets but these guys are bigger… and friends… who may help each other…???
Would they really pin a false flag attack on a friend and kill that friend…?
But anyway, the real enemies are the ones pulling the strings and practicing black magick in secret, deciding the fate of life conditions fro the rest of us… I guess this is why we are on GIC, to get that word out…
But then too it is important to let people know that they can effect change. They can keep the faith and not worry while still putting forth effort to better the world… (AKA turn off the TV) We need to let the people-sheeple know about helpful meditations and affirmations, and we need to help them see the good that comes from standing up and being heard!
But most of all we need to show them the necessity of white magick use to overcome the Illuminati, And we need to help them see that whatever their spiritual path, they can effect change with white magick/ energy work/ prayer.

Q: In one sense I feel like we can’t be worried so much about the meaning of symbolism, because we need to be focused on defeating the ones using it. But then too knowledge is power and we need every tool we can find to bring them down…
Coincidently by birthday is 9-11-1985 I turned 16 on 9-11-2001 and now this year I am having my first biological child and her due date is 9-11-2011…
I decided at 15 I wanted to help save the world and my tool would be white magick and paganism, and I gained my spirit on 8-8-2008… how’s that for symbolism!? I don’t have a clue what it means though…

I agree that all these events, deaths, sacrifices, etc. are occultistically linked but I wonder to what extent…? Is it the same people? Is it planned and orchestrated, are the ritualistically sacrificing their enemies and their sheeple for worldly/ unworldly gain…?
I think my early desire to be involved was to prepare me for 9-11 and the evil of the world political system…
I haven’t read the mushroom and the cross but I do own it and know it’s premise. That’s amazing that it was your changing point! Feel free to start a discussion on that topic on Goddesses entheogens and existence energy. I love the amanita vision!

That scary mindset propaganda is evident in Orwell’s 1984 considerably and it is taking a strong hold in our world today out of sheeple’s desire to stay sheeple. I feel like this is the illuminati’s greatest weapon against our movement and I totally agree that we need to make people aware of these myths… via GIC…? Please feel free to post any of your findings on it:) Maybe on: http://www.thegic.org/group/nwowatchdogs
If you like:)
I think:
Seeing and knowing is step one
Understanding and learning to counter is step two
While magick and politics that support the masses, is step three

…

~Much blessings and love
:)

Permalink Reply by Julian ONeill on May 24, 2011 at 12:48pm

"Would they really pin a false flag attack on a friend and kill that friend…?"

Yes I believe very much they would, because these people will celebrate anniverseries of markers for the NWO with massive blood rituals where they will murder people including children. So they have no empathy, and no respect for life, so very much yes they would turn on those who are seen as dispensable. Actually though according to come sources, Osama died of natural causes to do with a disease he had.
But it is like the Satanic creed that they will crush anyone or anything which gets in the way of their will.
I was thinking to day about the sayings of one of their heros Aleistar Crowley "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole law" They have no mrality and just use such beliefs as a way to not have any conscience about what they do and are a part of.
I would like to introduce you to these two sources of important information about this occult elite which I think is important to see. Sorry, I do not know how to directly link you to these sources, but I am sure if you Google them you will find the means to-- Google: Download - Cremation of Care
And also --oh i can link you to this one http://www.scribd.com/doc/2386217/The-Cryptocracy

Now the author of thiese, Eric james Rainbolt is coming from a Christian perspective, so will sometimes say things like "we must obey our Father in heaven" etc. I also question THAT patriarchal belief, and I see that and the one he criticies (rightly) to be sharing the same worldview. But as of being on two sides of a same coin. I just wrote this in the notes I am doing as I study all this weird s***: Now this author Eric James Rainbolt hold a Christian belief, and constantly mentions a ‘Father in heaven we must obey’]: “Spiritually, there is a discernable spectrum across our society from light, that what wishes itself to be known to others, unto spiritual darkness, that what wishes to stay hidden from exposure. From a spiritual view, one end of the spectrum are found those who deeply know the truth prescribed in the gospels and biblical prophecy, who love the truth of Jesus Christ and strive to serve Him in their daily lives by obeying Our Father. On the other end of the spectrum are found those who deeply hate the serving of others, in their sin they only wish to ultimately serve themselves, and their dark master, known as: Satan, Lucifer, the devil. These are the illuminati; however, the illuminati have developed a temporary advantage for themselves, they control the world's money and credit system.” [Now here he shows naiveity regarding his own Book/religion, for if he looked deeper, and studied The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross etc he would realize that HIS belief system also is in layers where the HIDDEN layers of meaning are only known for the Initiates! So, it is likely the very same people have their hand in BOTh seemingly opposite belief systems Monotheism/Christianity and Satanism. They both are definitely sharing the same worldview. They BOTH serve ideas, and they BOTH disrespect women, nature, and others who don’t share their cultic belief. They both give birth to each other, and are two sides of a same coin. The ‘rebels’ are like bad sons who go against their disciplinarian father and deeply disrespect and resent their ‘weak’ mother who birthed them into this oppressive situation in the first place and seek to take over daddy’s role and destroy ‘his’ creation which they also believe is feminine.
See where I am coming from? You can see this dynamic played out in homes where there is the strict father who hates their son's free spirit (he may be gay also), and the mother puts up with it and the kid suffers, and then the kid rebels against the father and also resents his mum and goes into a serious sado masochistic streak where he just wants to control---so in other words he is taking on the role of his father, because he had felt such a loss of control--and it all becomes a very sick vicious circle.
So when I hear other sonspiracy theorists like David Icke etc trying to explain this elites unfathomable sadistic blood lust as not being human and becine caused by reptilian aliens, I just think they have no clue what us humans are capable of. Cause a lot of the s*** these big wigs do is done also be psychopaths, serial killers, youths who have become degraded because of lack of care and love and end up torturing animals, and then humans often, and people who follow orders from authority/daddy and do the most terrible things. You know what i mean, but the Ike crew just scapegoat and blame an off-planet entity like the Christians blame Satan or the Devil. So I feel that THEIR mindset is not looking deep enough into this. Looking into this has to involve looking deeper into our selves simultaneously. We are both uncovering what is being hidden from us via code etc out there, but this also reveals human nature too---because WE are capable of becoming So fukin heartless and without soul just like these super rich.

Coincidently by birthday is 9-11-1985 I turned 16 on 9-11-2001 and now this year I am having my first biological child and her due date is 9-11-2011… I decided at 15 I wanted to help save the world and my tool would be white magick and paganism, and I gained my spirit on 8-8-2008… how’s that for symbolism!? I don’t have a clue what it means though…

OMG your one of them aren't you???!!!!!!
LOL, only joking. But WOW that is weird isn't it?lol It tells me something deep about our meeting. I was 15 when I also had life changing experience with sacred LSD!! Hmmm I wonder what date it was when I was first turned on. It would be interesting to know, but I dont think I ever will. I never used to think about dates and stuff till I found out about this werid s*** agoing on in our world and their OBSESSION with dates etc.

I agree that all these events, deaths, sacrifices, etc. are occultistically linked but I wonder to what extent…? Is it the same people? Is it planned and orchestrated, are the ritualistically sacrificing their enemies and their sheeple for worldly/ unworldly gain…? I think my early desire to be involved was to prepare me for 9-11 and the evil of the world political system… I haven’t read the mushroom and the cross but I do own it and know it’s premise. That’s amazing that it was your changing point! Feel free to start a discussion on that topic on Goddesses entheogens and existence energy. I love the amanita vision!

Here's some infor that had my jaw dropping in shock and utter disgust last night when I read it. I mean dont get me wrong, all these fukers do deeply shocks me, but anyway read this--this is from one of the links from above The Architecture of History: "P10) On April "11th", 1990, Mikhail Gorbechev was quoted as saying " We are only beginning to shape the New World Order. " [this very much reveals its trans national scope] ( He became the Soviet leader on March "11th", 1985 - exactly "19" years to the day of the Madrid Blast on 3/11/04 which killed 202 Eupropean travellers! This was how the illuminati terror masterminds celebrated the 19th anniversary of Gorbechev's inauguration and Gorby knew it! )" [the text in SQUARE brackets is my notes]

CAN you get your head round that?? 'CELEBRATED'???! That horror? Celebrate? It defies any form of respect for life. It is unfathomable evil.If we look AT their symbolism and what they DO--it seems to me that they are in a some sense sacrificing OTHERS' blood to their 'god' so as to keep the majority of people mindcontrolled on all different levels. Subliminally, etc but also that when we get an inkling OF their signature over all this unbelieveable sadism and mirder that we must be so overwhelmed we will be paralyzed with fear, which is also a form of mindcontrol, right?
Regarding The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross--What I am thinkging about is how the writers of the Bible scripts wrote in LAYERS. The surface layer was a first onl;y preached to the 'common people' by the priests, and usually in Latin--a dead language. But when they eventually get to read it, the more hidden meaning is not supposed to be known by the minions, it is only for the elite initiated--for 'those who understand', and in it are also numbers like 666, etc. So it is seeming to me that the same mindset that operates like that now---ie., with their 'hidden in plain sight' symbolism and numbers etc is the very same who are responsible for the Bible!! And hence they certainly would be able to 'propyhecy' what is happening and gonna happen, because tis THEY who are the maipulators of their bloody history! What do you think?

I started watching this film the other night which was on TV. It was called Zodiac and was about a serial killer from the 1960s (a true story) who left symbols, and wrote in code, and was playing this game with the media and police. In the film you see this journalist passionately trying to decipher what the killer is communicating, and the cops are relying on him because this man is threatening to attack a school bus with little kids. I stopped watching when he stopped a woman who had a little kid in the front of the car. it freaked me out---because he was a very evil individual. But the point I am making is that with HIM there was this passion from the media and cops to take seriously the CODE, yeah? But with THIS it is real fukin weird. It is a blatant looking AWAY. Just look at some of the comments that Eric J Rainbolt gets about his online book The Archaeology of History. Apart from about 2, the rest are really hostile to him. they call him crazy bla bla. I have had this, and it makes me wonder. It is like that THIS is so worldview shattering that people lose any common sense and will lash out at the messenger rather than face what this s*** means. What this s*** means is that EVERYTHING you thought was real aint, and sos where does that leave you? It has to change you on deep levels like a psychedelic trip does!!

Permalink Reply by Derwin Sherwood on June 10, 2011 at 2:31pm

It’s funny that you should mention Crowley because lately I’ve been going over my head trying to think of who to study. I was under the impression that his methods were so wacked that even the free masons OR the knights Templar kicked him out… IDK
But it seems to me that evil or not (crazy may be more accurate) He is a major place to start researching real magick (Along with Eliphis Levi who I’ve been studying a lot) is some of the published literature that can help us defeat them. Though these teachings are what they probably base much of their practice on so they already know it; but understanding is half the battle right? I guess we’ll have to move on from these small time occultists and become greater, in a respect, ourselves than the illuminati members could ever be. I don’t think they can do significant telekinesis, shape shifting, or the like (real power that could defeat them?) for the shear fact that I feel like we’d know… but then too it could be one of the greatest kept secrets…
I like that you mentioned that they celebrate anniversaries with blood rituals and sacrifices; That hadn’t occurred to me yet seems so obvious. Though Im sure too that they do it as a sacrifice to gain power and brownie points with their higher powers… It can create mind control and fear if you don’t understand them. I see them as frightened children who have made the rules for millennia and are now losing their grip on that rule and power. And desperately, they are trying everything to keep it! I do think that is will take good pagans to bring these bad pagans down…
It angers me when the Christian right says that there are no good pagans because we are all doing the devils work as opposed to gods work… But f*** them. I work for Mother Nature only. Next time someone starts in on me I’ll ask them if the abortion bombers and Pentecostal uni-bombers and Camping’s end of the world freaks are good wholesome Christians too… Maybe that can make them see the good and evil in all paths… who knows…
I think that the illuminati thinks that they can prophesy all events because they control everything, but all empires crumble eventually and the evil inevitable fall to the good and pure. But then evil eventually infiltrates the good and the cycle continues. My biggest question is who pulls the illuminati strings? I love sprit world here on GIC directed by Chris Everand and Enigma TV which makes it out to be two layers of reality, one physical and the other metaphysical and we are all equal but on different sides of the coin, and the other side holds those that we worship and they worship. But then too it could be more of a god/alien science project where they favor certain ppl in which case we’ll have to take over all of it… though I tend to go with the first option, equality is better and it gives us the power to overthrow the evil…
I could not agree more that the psychedelic trip is about the only real thing I’ve found that helped me wake up and see the light. Im trying to help my GF see but it’s hard sometimes. I think many of the sheeple LOVE to look away because it makes life easier. If they see no evil then it’s not there… I wish…
My best friend has been fighting this fight for decades. I was just talking to her yesterday about how crazy it seems to me when I see TV commercials for the tech consumer products which in a few years won’t matter whether the economy collapses, the ice caps melt, poles shift, aliens land, civil war, solar EM showers or whatever is in store, this world and reality won’t be around for the rest of OUR lifetime! And yet they hold on with their dearest strength and commitment to this dependency creating, grifter, consumer (easy life) society. They hold on I guess to maintain a sense of order amongst the chaos within their psyche and their surroundings. But chaos isn’t evil… and their order will fail when their dependency on this reality can no longer be sustained. That’s where mass panic and civil war come in to play… Have you seen ‘The Postman’ –w- Kevin Costner…?
My friend says that when the grifters and communists can't get their government checks and free money anymore, they will begin stealing and pillaging for what ever they can get because they are to lazy to work and too DEPENDENT on un-earned free money from the tax payers pocket.
And this reality is what the Illuminati see that they are losing their grip on… this is what they are fighting and killing to preserve. Their power and reality that they’ve created. But they know like you and I know that they cannot ever hold on to it all! It will be ours one day soon!
I hope we can hold on to the internet for as long as possible ;)

Permalink Reply by Julian ONeill on June 17, 2011 at 2:27pm

Hi man

It angers me when the Christian right says that there are no good pagans because we are all doing the devils work as opposed to gods work… But f*** them. I work for Mother Nature only.

This is a VITAL question. it seems to me as I have said before, very fre researchers into this seem to me to be earth centred Pagans of the Goddess. You eith got the Christians who demonize EVERYTHING that aint their tightarse dogma, OR the David Ickian types who believe the moon is false and a hideout for evil aliens, and....they are seem to disrespect sacred nature. I dont feel them and they dont feel me.

I often feel a loner in this research, though I am very cclose to the late great artist and Wise Woman, Monica Sjoo who was onto them years before 9/11, but she never analyzed their signatures because until after 9/11 it was THAT apparent as like IN OUR FACE in the real world.

I told you about that book I am currently reading called Caliban and the Witch: Women, the Body and Primitive Accumulation, by Silvia Federici (at last chapter). OK, she shows how the elite USED their concept OF the 'devil' to malign Wise Women, and paganism which had/has no concept OF the Devil!! This is very important to understand. They are doing it now with their phony 'war on terror'

I recently read a quote from Crowley, and will have more to say about him at end of this message---where he says that the ''witches' were slaves of the demons whilst high magickians like 'him' MASTER the demons'--now THAT is very revealing (And *Silvia, in her book also reveals this denigration of Wise Women by the elitist magickians. This is something I am REALLY wanting to understand more about, gbecause it will get us to the roots of things) for it shows this androcentric egoist attitude of this VERY destructive kind of 'paganism'. I dont even think it IS 'paganism if we understand that term to originally mean 'countrydweller, and thus indigenous and CLOSE to the land

My biggest question is who pulls the illuminati strings? I love sprit world here on GIC directed by Chris Everand and Enigma TV which makes it out to be two layers of reality, one physical and the other metaphysical and we are all equal but on different sides of the coin, and the other side holds those that we worship and they worship. But then too it could be more of a god/alien science project where they favor certain ppl in which case we’ll have to take over all of it… though I tend to go with the first option, equality is better and it gives us the power to overthrow the evil…

Yes I am interested very much too. OK this will where I start telling you what I have learned about Aleister Crowley. He I believe is VERY involved in the elites occultism, including their false flag atrocities and wars. He seems to be their PROPHET. Now remember he claims to have had contact with an entity, Aiwaas, who dictated to him The Book of the Law. Now listen to come of it:

The Book of the Law

Here are a few interesting excerpts II,21: We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let them die in their misery. For they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings: stamp down the wretched & the weak: this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world. Think not, o king, upon that lie: That Thou Must Die: verily thou shalt not die, but live. Now let it be understood: If the body of the King dissolve, he shall remain in pure ecstasy for ever. Nuit! Hadit! Ra-Hoor-Khuit! The Sun, Strength & Sight, Light; these are for the servants of the Star & the Snake.

From: Liber AL vel Legis - Chapter II

III,7: I will give you a war-engine.

III,8: With it ye shall smite the peoples; and none shall stand before you.

III,12: Sacrifice cattle, little and big: after a child.

III,18: Mercy let be off: damn them who pity! Kill and torture; spare not; be upon them!

Now hmmm can you not just KNOW that the elite would LOVE this evil s***?? We are talking people who will drop nuclear bombs on cities full of children, babies, womrn, men, birds in flight, bees, dogs, cats, the whole web of life. That will drop Agent Orange and Napalm onto human beings and wildlife in the forests; that will drop tons of depleted uranium on humans and all life which carries on causing cancers, and causing terrible DNA damage to new borns. These dehumanized things would LOVE a religion which praises cruelty, and love of sadism, and no mercy or guilt.

I found that Crowley is claimed to have worked with the british secret services MI5 and MI6 and was he was a "major" part of the false flag attack which sank the Lusitania which brought the U.S into WW1.
This all makes sense to me, because the London Bombings which happened on 7th July 2005 work out numerologically as 7th day, 7th month and adding 2005 (2+5) brings us 777, and Crowley published a book titled 777. So you can feel his sinister presence all over that awful event too.

So we need to explore what these entities are? Ie., IF a person is depraved egoist, will not his forming of interaction with the mystery mirror back his own evil intentions. We have to go slow with this because what consiousness is and what matter is is a mystery!!

Permalink Reply by Julian ONeill on June 17, 2011 at 4:13pm

Ie., the very crietria the 'magickian' has of being a 'master' of 'demons'---they become 'slaves' 'serfs'. what does this remind me of? WEll the very elite and how they seek to control nature, including their own nature, the other species, and us!! All of that I deeply distrust. That is not relationship.